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Random Thoughts

Posted by thehuddlereport.com on March 25, 2008

by Drew Boylhart 

Jets Vs Patriots 

This year, we have one of the most interesting situations occurring in the 1st round of this draft.  We have two rival teams drafting one right in front of the other in the first round with basically the same needs.  In the first round, the Jets will pick at the #6 position and the Patriots will pick at 7.   By now, I think everyone who follows football knows of the bad blood between these two coaches and why there is bad blood between them.  I even have my suspicions about the reason the Jets moved up in the first round last year being to make sure they could pick the player they wanted before the Patriots could make a deal to move up and draft that very same player.  Now, I have no real proof of this, but you have to admit — it does add to the intrigue and bad blood between these two teams!  Darrelle Revis (CB Pittsburgh) had to be on the working draft board of the Patriots last year.   The Jets moving up “out of the blue” to draft him before he could be picked by the Bangals may be the reason or, maybe the Jets got wind of a deal that might happen involving the Patriots and decided to pull the trigger, making the deal earlier than they wanted to!  The Jets are they only ones who know for sure and they’re not talking. 

    

So, let’s fast forward to this year.  The Jets run a 3-4 defense — the same as the Patriots do — and both teams need LB’s and CB’s.  The Jets also need a NT, but I would guess that player could be picked up later in free agency, in a trade or perhaps he is on the team right now.  The real first round targets for both teams would be LB’s and CB’s.   By now you all know about Chris Long (DE Virginia) and Vernon Gholston (DE Ohio St).  Both players have OLB skills, but Chris is more of a DE than an OLB.  Vernon really has the athleticism to play DE or OLB.  At least that’s my feelings about the players.  Chris has a good chance as of this writing to be picked as the first player in this draft.  So that leaves Vernon as the next big time possibility for both the Jets and the Patriots to have their eyes on.  Now, let’s just say that Vernon is not taken by the Rams or the Falcons and drops to the Raiders.  And, we can add to this scenario that the Raiders are interested in McFadden or an offensive lineman.  I am asking the fans of the Jets and Patriots:   what would you give up to make a deal with the Raiders to get a shot at drafting Vernon Gholston?  The Chiefs are in front of both of you and if the Raiders do not trade and take McFadden, then you must deal with the Chiefs!  You are on the clock.  Would you trade up or sit right where you are and evaluate trading down?   Remember Jets fans…the possibility of drafting a star player in a position of need is sitting right there in front of you.  But, you will have to trade up that one or two spots to pick him. 

The Patriot fans see a player of need that a team in their division is as hot for as they are.  If you move ahead of the Jets, it’s like hurting them twice because not only do you pick a player you both needed, but now the future of him impacting against the Jets twice a year plus the playoffs is just too much to pass up.   You’re both on the clock.  Do you deal with the Raiders or the Chiefs, what and who do you give up and when do you pull the trigger on a trade?  Being a GM on draft day is much more difficult than you thought, isn’t it?!

Actions or Words 

Matt Ryan (QB Boston College) just had his workout.  We all know that the Kansas City Chiefs sent the most representatives to the workout.  Personally, I think this surprised Herm Edwards and he realized that he might have shown his hand, so to speak.  It is obvious to me that coming out of a workout of a player who has the interest of all the teams in the NFL and only two teams send their GM’s and coaches sends a signal that those two teams have a serious interest in that player.  So tell me this, why would you bother to downgrade what you just saw?  Why would you give your fans the impression that you are about to draft a player at the 5th pick of this draft who is equal to a player that was picked as the 18th pick of the 1st round of the 2000 draft?  If there is a team in front of you that is interested in drafting Matt, don’t you have another player that you would be happy to pick?  This cloak and dagger stuff is a joke!  It’s a joke because Herm Edwards has not done his homework or does not trust his scouts.  Herm is trying to evaluate players with a workout seen by him and is giving it more weight than this kid’s performance on the field and in a game.  If that statement were not the truth, then the whole Chiefs’ entourage would not have been there at the workout!  You should be able to see all that you need to see about Matt from his play on the field, a background check, his marks at Boston College along with interview at the combine.  What more could you have gotten from the workout?  Was arm strength the reason you needed all of the most important decision makers in your front office at Matt’s workout?  Then you come out and do interviews (that you did not have to do) and downplay what you just saw!  What part of this makes any sense to anyone out there? 

It has been reported that Miami has an interest in drafting Matt Ryan along with some other players and have contacted the agents of those players.  Miami sent one person to Matt Ryan’s workout.  Why, you ask?  Because they know all they need to know about Matt Ryan and Bill Parcells did not even go to the combine!  Bill Parcells knows that what he can learn at a workout is nothing more than whether or not the player is in good health.  Bill Parcells does not need to sit down with Matt before the workout to get him to relax or get to know him better.  Parcells does not want to be the kid’s friend or need to have a great relationship with Matt.  Parcells knows that this kid just has to have the necessary talent and maturity to handle the pressure on and off the field at the next level.  A workout in your underwear does not show that! 

As long as Herm Edwards and other coaches feel that they need to interact with a draft pick personally beyond an interview at the combine, these organizations will continue to make big mistakes drafting players for the NFL.  If you can’t tell a kid’s character and maturity level by his play on the field and how he conducts himself by going to classes and getting good marks, then I’m not sure what to say.    If your scouts do not have the information for you to evaluate a player, then I suggest you give them a profile form that addresses those issues so that you are all on the same page.  If you think looking a kid in the eye means you can tell if that kid is good or bad — regardless of their actions on and off the field — then you are sadly mistaken.  Just because a kid does or does not say “Yes, sir” in an interview after you ask him a question has absolutely no bearing on the level of character and maturity that kid has.   Always remember that actions speak louder than words!  Matt’s actions on and off the field speak franchise QB to me and I don’t need a good or bad workout in his shorts to prove to me otherwise.

11 Responses to “Random Thoughts”

  1. John Says:

    Drew:

    Do you think the Jets are blowing smoke with the interest in McFadden? If so they are going through a lot to just send up a decoy. If the choice is Vernon or trade up or down, I trade down. I would take McFadden though and might trade up to get him. The Jets do not have a game breaker on offense and they need attention focused on someone other than Clemens.

  2. Drew Boylhart Says:

    John,
    I think they are smart in keeping all of their options open. Showing an interest in McFadden keeps the door open to - stay right where they are and drafting him or trading out. It is a smart move to allow other teams to have a peek into the players that a team might be interested in drafting like the Cowboys, Panthers, Bengals, Bears, Cardinals and others who might be hiding their interest. It opens a ton of options. This cloak and dagger stuff gets you nothing. It’s like playing a hand in poker. You have to bluff at least once or twice to sucker someone into making a mistake and winning a big pot when you have a good hand. I’m not suggesting that the Jets won’t draft McFadden. All I’m saying is that they are making the interest that they have in him known more then any other player in this draft. I wonder why?

    Drew

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  4. Bruce Says:

    Hi Drew,

    If I were the Patriots braintrust I would absolutely not trade up to get Gholston…or McFadden.

    Gholston has not played with his hand off the ground. He could be good but so could a lot of others in the this draft who wer DE.

    McFadden has a big flaw. When he is running north/south he is ok although he doesn’t have the power to make his own holes. But when he is running east/west trying to get outside he is slow to turn it up. He is not as quick as he is fast. I think this will make him very ordinary…dangerous like Reggie Bush, but he will not be an elite back.

    The Patriots should look to trade down and hope that someone falls through the cracks that is appealing to someone else. I would also trade down only as far as I had to in order to still pick the player I was looking for…I wouldn’t trade down if it meant that there was a good chance I wouldn’t get the player(s) I really wanted.

    Thanks Drew,
    Bruce

  5. John Says:

    Drew, I see your point. They were all over Leinart two years ago and then did not draft him. Perhaps this is a double juke move . . . Oh, they did this with Leinart and went another direction, don’t pay attention.

    I just think the Jet offense needs some firepower more than the defense needs a star. No one on the Jet offense scares a defense. . .

  6. Drew Boylhart Says:

    John,
    You are correct. There is no one that puts the fear into you on the Jets offense. It is an excellent point.

  7. Jeffrey Siegel Says:

    Perhaps the news hasn’t filtered down to Casa Boylhart, but the Jets did trade for Kris Jenkins. Jenkins hasn’t played the nose, but, since he now weighs 4-500 pounds there’s a certain presumption that the Jets plan to play him there.

  8. Drew Boylhart Says:

    Jeff,
    You are correct. Like I said - somebody who is already on the team, but I did forget about the Jenkins situation Oh wise one. LoL

    Drew

  9. Troy Says:

    Drew,
    I don’t think G.Dorsey is worth the third round selection for the Falcons. With M. Turner signed, probably no D. DMac..my question is this…should the Falcons try something that the GMen and Bolts did a few years ago..pick the BEST player available, i.e, M.Ryan, DMac, etc..and then try and TRADE that player while still in the first round? I’m not trying to get too far out there…but I think the Falcons need to rebuild quite a bit..and stockpiling draft picks, trading for young players, etc…is the way to go. Or would you just draft your board?

  10. Drew Boylhart Says:

    Troy,
    I agree with you on Dorsey. If you look at my profile of him you will see that I do not believe that Glen is a top ten pick in this draft for a number of different reasons. I do feel that he has first round talent but as I say all the time “It takes more then talent to play in the NFL”. Below is a just a portion of the profile I wrote up on Glen and remember I do my profiles from film work. I do not copy what others say about a player so you will get a unique view of a player that you can use as a tool to form your own opinions.

    NEEDS TO IMPROVE
    Right now, Glenn is a bigger, better and quicker athlete than most of his opponents. This will not be the issue at the next level. His tackling techniques are very sloppy and college level RB’s are running by him because of his tendency to lunge and not wrap-up in tackling. He does not have very many pass rushing moves and the ones he does possess, he does not use with any consistency. Glenn is in for a big shock at the next level because right now, he does not need to have a good work ethic to be considered an excellent DT at the college level.

    Talent Board Round - 1C
    Glenn has first round talent, but he is a “boom or bust” player. I’m just not sure he will have the impact in the NFL that he has had with his college team. His techniques are very sloppy and he is on the ground a lot. The truth is he has good feet and there is no reason for him to lunge and miss tackles, falling on the ground all the time. QB pressures are good; but, if you don’t keep your feet, you don’t make tackles. This is just a portion of the profile.

    Remember the unique two-board system that we use at THR. My talent grades do not reflect were a player will most likely be picked in a draft. Our value board does that.

    Now to answer your question - I do not believe that the Falcons should pick a DT that early in the draft. They will be able to have the choice of picking Matt Ryan, (A franchise QB) Jake Long OT, Vernon Gholston DE/OLB or Chris Long DE/OLB. Unless they get some great offer for their pick they should stay were they are and pick any one of those players who will have an excellent impact for them. The Falcons chance to gain more picks in this draft is by trading down in the 2nd Rd. If they pick Jake Long in the first then there should be offensive lineman in the 2nd Rd that a lot of teams are going to want to move up and draft. The Falcons should be in a good position to trade down at that time and also trade down in the 3rd round also and gain more picks in a draft that is loaded with talent. At least that would be my plan if I were part of the Falcons management.

    Drew

  11. Russ Says:

    Drew,

    Until the league addresses the gross overpaying of the top draft picks each year it is almost always better to trade down. That is unless you plan to field fewer players than other teams! Think of player compensation as a percentage of the total salary cap. The percentage currently being demanded by the top picks is as high and higher than some All Pros and these guys haven’t even made a team let alone played. There are ALWAYS players who don’t pan out or just never achieve the level of expectations and add to that the removal from your roster high quality starters because a percentage of your salary cap is tied to a high priced flop or simply a rookie who is not ready and you are behind the eight ball. If I were managing the interests of any of the top 7 teams I would be hoping to trade down. Stock up on the last dozen picks in the first round and with 2nd and even thrid round picks. Add future firrst round picks (that either end up in that sweet spot in the round or can be traded down again or are high but are exercised after the league corrects this problem).

    On the specifics of the Jets and Patriots and whether the Patriots should trade up, I would suggest the better question is: who can these teams trade down with. Both teams have multiple needs which are decently represented in the first 2-3 rounds of talent. Having more picks on day one without losing so much ground that you can not get any of the cream on your list would go further towards fielding the best team.

    Russ

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